jkare:

please stop spamming on my thread.

Peace be with you -o-Jkare

...will whisper ...this is only a clarifying note-PS to my above scribbles -  so don't pay any attention...just that it seems like in order to sound like a fool once more, i need to add  a bit or two more...

truth be known, the above mentioned kundalini  'karmic burn offs' - which feel like the body-being becomes a 'flaming torch' , (but since i'm not writing an essay i will say only those 'energetic rushes' vary in intensity) began after the initial  - 'my entire body-being became a high sounding  pitch/note vibrating  for goodly several seconds' -one dawn-morn' in bed

....after which (don't know how long 'later')  i experienced another Shakti - experience ... this time,  of the - 'i shall rip your head off like it or not' - in 97'

"thundering combustion experience...my whole being became like an exploding missle - had only time to say "God be with me".

not like i had time to think  ..and was conviced this explosive, thundering head experience will scatter me into smitterins , hence  the  - 'be w/me' plea - and then it was all over...nothing but "Awarenes being aware of crystal - like voices "yes!!"  .. (singing/sounding bliss-full "yessss") "next my light body was raised up - from laying to vertical pos. in a blink , than gently layed down" -  asin gently lowerd itself back down on bed.

i'm pretty sure all the rushing,  burning and Congress Tantra, has something to do with bringing down from heavenly spheres Love's vibrations with the purpose of  .. for the  : :  'greater wholeness...of relational embrace'

thank you Turtle (all the way up and all the way down, no?) for your welkoming words on this gab-board and for the nice 'you're oh so wise' compliment....can't say i'm all the wiser for it...on the other hand am i stupid? ... not if I AM

this thread topic is about  'burning man',  right?....kundalini style? .. burning off everything that ain''t couth anymore?

don't know how it happens, but i  know it ain't poor lil' me who pounds my head and body with its energy -  nay! 'Intelligent' energy!  -

 whilst at it....like the time during 'i will never forget that  reiki class-session'

standing room only , just finished balancing someone elses' energy,  and as a fourth wheel stood with hands on my teacher's knees.... much laughter and,  'been to florida with daughters and their friend and...'  story-telling ...

 their voices waaay in the distance, yet right inside my head...(while) wave after (tremendous) surging wave pounding right-through my crown chakra...  thought i was going to explode...cring-wincing time...deep breathing (had no choice! tried to stay calm and 'witnessing')... deciding to ask for silence .. the woman on my left, at K 's feet didn't (even ) hear me ..hands jarring/jumping a couple of times .. as if suddenly got plugged into some meta-energy ...asking again for silence...finally, B. is saying "helen is asking for silence", a couple of times ... which made it even worse...my deep-huff-breathing sounds so loud...asking to stop the 'surging waves'.  they do/ did 

she hears You arthur! hehe......you can take helen out from this world-forum, but you can't take the World out of her

wot can i say, eh? how long ago wos it now? oh, maybe 15 , or so years ago?...she got so piss-angry her head "lit up like the sun" - according to her husband.

true, that's what he said after the dust settled. don't know what i was going on about ..wos it about : "what is truth? whose truth??!" (which the 'anger' had nothing to do with him, but  without his most caring ways i wouldn't feel safe enough to let loose like that, i guess)

yuk! those were the days of pissed letter-writing to the editor of the "WHO WILL LOVE OUR CHILDREN?" and the like.

"i couldn't see you, your head lit up like the sun" - 'tis true, that's what he said - "don't do that i can't see you" several times he said it ... taking quick glances - by then seated on sofa , on the far end of the room .. he did look pale, i noticed that..,still  hand gesturing ,  'shooing' me away.

it occured to me many years later to yet again ask him to tell me about it -  and for the first time, ask, "how long  was my head lit up like the sun?" - he shrugged impatient and said "why are you always asking about it? i don't know how long, maybe 3 or 4 minutes?" - close 'nuf quote

.....which was a revelation to me! why did i want to hear over and over again  about the 'ligting up' - at least intially? bec. i never heard of anything like it! besides, when he first told me i wasn't at all that curious, but curious 'enuf to begin to read-browse  'esoteric' literature, like Wiliam James, among few other authors..and? found nothing about 'sun-lighting'. 

dear Arthur, you know how craziii 'bout me Liz is -  don'tchya? she's like practicing  pushing  me' buttons all over the place just to see if i'm of the .....

"if i  keepe'm on their toes , they will pay attention to me like it or not, mostly because  i don't won't them to ignore me ...wot IF behind my facade of kool - ness  lurks   anxiety , obsessive compulsions and depression ... what if they discover a small frightened child who despertly needs aproval ... who needs to control everyones behaviour  so they won't abandon me"  - kind.

no? at any rate even if it was true - my 'facade kool-face'  ie.- would i want to know where that energy came from? who mind-frig me? ... i didn't cause / do that to myself /  to be that way. and was it their fault? , their minds got frig-twisted?

luvs n' hugs to both o'yous'

tamgoddess:

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hey all, helen here from gab-board below - first time poster here , and if yous' must know i only pock me' nose here now and again to look-read some.

this different direction chakra spin for man and woman thing ? never heard of it ... i may check out the www-site .tk / but for now just want to say 'how inriguing is that?'.

 i haven't any idea if my share-scriblling - about , 'my heart chakra acted weird when....' experience ...  oh many moons ago , or even longer -  when i was still a reiki student - during one class / practice , my teacher decided to pendulum-scan my chakras, has anything to do with the above  'different systems claim   the chakras in men and women rotate in diff. direction , that's why when they are together they zip-up' ---or not, but!...

"look at it!  there it goes again! it's changing directions in mid-spin!" .. ('twos the heart chakra only) i recal being quite flaked out (relaxed) and didn't even care to look...others in room gathered to see it. hmm? what does this make me? both and or borg?

jkare:

You are asking a very tricky question.  Until we have some ways to measure in and out flows of subtle energies of the chakras, I feel this subject is purely conjecture.  Though fun!  It reminds me of the maxim, "The map is not the territory." 
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I have seen systems that said that each chakra changes rotation and that men start clockwise at the root and women start counterclockwise at the root.  The second chakra would then spin counter clockwise for the men and clockwise for the women, on up each of our bodies.  As a result when you put two bodies together, they line up like a zipper. 

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