I think the hot/cold dilema dissapears if you use that part of SD as only relating to the values line.  I don't believe that the cognitive line shows this distinction, but, for example, I have noticed that if I see two people displaying green values, but one more agentic and the other communal, then the agentic person also draws heavily on

leofalcon:I’m not getting why there is a such big controversy about the KW model and the SD model. It sounds like the argument about whether it’s better to go with a Mac or a P.C. Perhaps someone could clue me in, please? Hi Leo, I think part of the problem for me was Ken and Integral people in general used to use the SD colours, but not ...

Please don't feel bad, L.  We are all well aware that the shadow creeps in to our conversations now and then (or we should be, if we are truly integral).  God knows it happens to me often enough.  Don't let that stop you engaging though.

Surely UL reductionism is an intellectual error that can be made at several stages and is not necessarily a sign of green?  People can be teal+ and still make mistakes, it's not like a complete understanding of AQAL is the measure of teal or turquiose.  I think knowing AQAL can potentially make the transition faster and reduce the ...

Hi Noah, You can say anything!  If it triggers doubt in me, that probably has more to say about my own issues than your words. I have noticed that AQAL generates a lot of polarity amongst people; that is, they either seem to love it or despise it.  I find that with some people I have to add disclaimers that I agree with some parts

Hey guys, I must admit these sort of threads disturb me.  I'm into quite a few things, spiritually speaking... ritual magic, AQAL, psychology, Taoist philosophy, Robert Anton Wilson.  I think all have useful insights to bring to the table, as well as some possible flaws.  But when I read these sort of confessions, I start to ...

Thanks guys.  I'll give it some time.  With hindsight I suppose it was naive to think I'd be able to do this as easily as I imagined.  It took me a while to learn to get the hang of 1st-person meditation, so why should this be any different?

After reading Integral Spirituality I finally decided to include some prayer in my practice.  I've know for a while that I desperately needed some 2nd person spirituality, but this book just now gave me the nudge I apparently required. Anyway, the last two nights I've tried to pray before sleep and... it was a disaster.  I always ...

Hey guys, I've finally expanded my membership, so... here I am. I've recently had some discussions with online friends who have high cognitive lines, reasonably high spiritual lines, etc. -- but have green values.  They consider some of my ideas more in the orange sense (you know, too dry and scientific), and sometimes even racist. 

Hi Pelle, pelleB:I don't think Ken says that traumas stop you from progressing to the next stage, but rather that you progress to the next stage by paying a price. The price being that a chunk of energy has to be left behind ... Right, right, that's what I mean.  But I think that ''splitting off'' of a piece of your consciousness ...