 06 Mar 2024, 8:47 AM
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Plasmafly
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Boulder CO
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Re: Robert Augustus Masters Q&A
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Thanks for lining that up Arthur, you are a pal.
There was some indication that RAM was put out by the suggestion that what he was experiencing was a shamanistic death/rebirth.
Of course someone like RAM with his superb knowitall mind, and really solid brainware would bring on the mother of all shamanistic death rebirth chemistry. When he is actually going thru it tho there is no way to put any kind of label on the condition, its too extreme, its too everything, such a omnipotent thing cannot be defined while in the middle of it. Our culture being death-phobic like it is doesn't acknowledge the essential process of death and rebirth...ie: metamorphosis. Only years after the fact when we have some objective distance can we define the nature of our experience, and put it in a nice tidy box with a specific label assigned to similar human experiences.
So I would ask RAM now, was it a shamanistic death/rebirth metamorphic process he went through?
It appears that the experience gave RAM more respect for the work that the ego does to “hold us together.” Is it important to actually lose this function in order to give us an appreciation of its worth? And did the compassion for his own ego translate into being more compassionate over other peoples egos?
And does RAM now distinguish the difference between personality and Soul/Self in his daily life…or has his perception melted into an ALL IS ONE sensitivity?
I want to know if he "lost" anything of himself in the Darkness Shining Wild process...what did he lose, what did he gain. Did he lose it permanently? Also has his present life spun out specifically from the radius of that "event" or is it an extension or new edition of his life prior to the event. That is how did it remake the man and his life. And does RAM feel any differently about death, or love for that matter?????
Has his general fear about life been reduced in direct correspondence to his “new” compassion?
Also was the Darkness Shining Wild experience a “humiliation” on some level, or was there no vestige of the ego left “in order to be humiliated.” To touch the objectivity of reality beyond personal humiliation must give one a sense of freedom from fixation on the fear of death. And also build what must amount to third tier boundary formation where the demands/delusions of the ego of others do not “affect” one so much. Thus perhaps a new center of Self is born, detached and with more freedom to “choose.” Is that right?
I also want to know if RAM is more sure or less sure in his decisions and navigation since he has a less myopic self-sense? With more "range" is it harder or easier to focus on right action?
"If you want others to have peace, practice peacefulness. If you want to be peaceful practice peace." - Lama Jana
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06 Mar 2024, 9:04 AM
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Plasmafly
Joined on 01-13-2006
Boulder CO
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Re: Robert Augustus Masters Q&A
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N'other one....
I had a dream of RAM the other morning. Now RAM is a slightly “harder” dream teacher than Ken, but just as poignant. In relation to that dream I would like to ask if Robert considers lower stage relationship/sex to be largely governed by older brain areas more related to survival and tribal group position. And that because of this, one has to have developed a certain level of affluence, capability and social prestige before “spiritual” relationship is possible. If this is so this means that ones relationship to oneself is run on more primitive hardware unless there is a degree of actual success and proficiency in the worldly domain of action and consequence. The point being that since one will attract and perpetuate the type of relationship/sex that ones wiring and experience dictates…according to ones position in the world…then how is one to break out of the fatal determinism to achieve higher realms of relationship/sex.
"If you want others to have peace, practice peacefulness. If you want to be peaceful practice peace." - Lama Jana
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06 Mar 2024, 10:54 AM
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MichaelD
 
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Re: Robert Augustus Masters Q&A
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Well looks like Jana's heap-O-questions pretty much covers it.
I'd just like him to say a word or two about how love played a role in his recovery. And if it makes any sense to differentiate eros and agape in that context...
Revisioning
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06 Mar 2024, 2:46 PM
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adastra
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Re: Robert Augustus Masters Q&A
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Thanks for all the great questions, people. Keep 'em coming. 
One point of clarification, Dan:
| 1. Would RAM recommend celibacy as a way to transcend any sexual limitations as it may outpicture in ones growth at higher stages. |
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Could you please rephrase that, perhaps using another term besides "outpicture"? (Or clearly define the term, I've not encountered it before.) I've tested this sentence on another forum member and she doesn't get it either.
arthur
you've never seen everything
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06 Mar 2024, 4:04 PM
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adastra
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Re: Robert Augustus Masters Q&A
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Thanks, Dan. I've substituted the revised question.
Will email the Q's to Robert tonight.
arthur
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06 Mar 2024, 8:02 PM
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Plasmafly
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Boulder CO
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Re: Robert Augustus Masters Q&A
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| "Would RAM recommend celibacy as a way to transcend your present stage of growth if indeed ones sexual experiences are a manifestation of egoic self-limitation. Does Celibacy help if ones sexual evolution creates a barrier to the next stage of growth." |
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I wanna talk about this...celibacy might be a way to reduce the "hell" factor by "non-engagement" a kind of defaulting on reality rather than an evolution of ones reality. If ones egoic development is causing one problems then...you could do lots of "therapy" or simply move to a country that is more conducive to ones level...
Like if one cannot affort the toys and tools needed in the romance game in this society...go to mexico, asia or somewhere where the odds have shifted.
You really have to get real with the fuckedupness and matterfactness of the purchasing of sexual partners...then one might not need to spend a life of avoiding the issue, but simply find another kind of pond to play in with different rule dynamics.
"Does celibacy help if one's sexual evolution creates a barrier to the next stage of growth." Well the way I see it is that the sexual line is fundamental to spiritual evolution in the Real world...the heat and truth of it breaks down all our imaginary maps and mentations...the sexual line is also key to creativity, gnosis, ESP, heart evolution, intimacy etc...seems to me there is no evolution at all without a corresponding evolution of the sexual line of development. Oh wowisme.
"If you want others to have peace, practice peacefulness. If you want to be peaceful practice peace." - Lama Jana
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07 Mar 2024, 2:42 AM
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crystallake2
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Great insight Plasmafly, thank you for that. In my 20's I associated with a spiritual growth center that highly recommeded celibacy as a "higher" way. If you were a staff member of this organization, it was mandatory.
In Christian terms they identified the sexual function as the "Judas" aspect of the Christ Self, and we all know what part Judas played in that story. Screw around and you "betray" the Christ Self. They were culturally Intergral, also spoke of Kundulini and raising energies up the spine to unite with your Christ Self and what they called "The Light Body" (electric body).
I played along in an attempt to "be" spiritual or to stimulate growth. It had disasterous results for me. Wrong thing to do and was not what I needed in my growth. Goes to show what can happen when you try to squeeze yourself into a mold that just isn't what you are about. (if you have ever seen the teachings of Self Realization Fellowship, their yogic teachings also recommend celibacy for better results on the Kriya Yoga).
If what you are suggesting is true, then pornography also might have a negative impact on your sexual energies (and i.e. your spiritual evolution). Again, everything is relative to ones stage of growth, what applies as true on one level becomes wholly relative to the next.
Dan
P.S. An FYI for more background
| Power | Chakra | Body Center | | Faith | Crown | Cerebrum of brain | | Strength | Spine | Spinal cord & nerves | | Love | Heart | Heart, circulatory system | | Wisdom | Third eye | Endocrine glands | | Will | Throat | Respiratory system | | Power | Throat | Larynx, muscles, limbs | | Imagination | Third eye | Thalamus | | Understanding | 5 minor centers | Five physical senses | | Order | Solar plexus | Digestive system | | Zeal | Third eye | Hypothalamus, medulla | | Regeneration | Regenerative | Reproductive organs | | Elimination | Sacral | Colon, urinary system | | I Am Self | Light Body |
This was their system, based on teachings from Unity Church (The 12 Powers Of Man by Charles Fillmore [founder of Unity]). Each "Power" was associated with one of the 12 disciples of Jesus [i.e. the Christ Self] Judas is regeneration, the reproductive organs.
Link to the ebook
http://www.websyte.com/unity/tpm.htm
For more than five years I maintained myself thus solely by the labour of my hands, and I found, that by working about six weeks in a year, I could meet all the expenses of living.
- Thoreau
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07 Mar 2024, 7:37 AM
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Plasmafly
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Boulder CO
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Re: Robert Augustus Masters Q&A
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Celibacy is prefered if having sex means some kind of sin, which it does with me, considering that there are no partners that are condoned by Spirit. Then the circumstances of relating reduce ones spirit and damage physical, emotional, mental and spiritual growth. I need a signed writ by God before I would have sex again.
"If you want others to have peace, practice peacefulness. If you want to be peaceful practice peace." - Lama Jana
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07 Mar 2024, 8:06 AM
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feral
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Re: Robert Augustus Masters Q&A
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| I need a signed writ by God before I would have sex again. |
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07 Mar 2024, 12:30 PM
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adastra
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Nice celibacy tangent. ![[^o)]](../../../public/forums/emoticons/in_subdomain/emotion-40.gif) Jana dear, you keep going through the same loop on this, have you noticed that? You've got your sign from God, now get busy.
If anybody has further questions for Robert, I'll be sending them on. I sent the initial huge wack of questions to him last night, not sure how long it'll take him to work his way through them but as soon as he does I'll post his responses here.
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Well now, that depends on the Powers That Be, doesn't it? There certainly has been a huge amount of interest in the forum with regards to Robert's work. If you like, I can reformulate your question, e.g. "Robert, would you be interested in doing a guest dialog on Integral Naked if that was a possibility?" and send it to Robert. Then we'd know how he feels about it at least.
I have no idea how these things are decided, or if Ken would interview somebody based on popular interest among forum members. I personally would be very interested in hearing such a dialog, but regardless, I'm very happy that Robert has agreed to speak directly with forum members in this Q&A thread.
arthur
you've never seen everything
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