Dear Guy:  I assume you must know that the other half of Wilber/Combs lives/and/or teaches in Ashville.  What a beautiful place.

And author, I am really interested in Guy's question and your call with Ken.  I don't catch up on those since I get the tapes in the mail and never know what I will get.After I  find out, I go back and listen to what I miss.  It is hard to wait but there is so much else to do, that I still never catch up.  I will be reading the pieces that you suggested.  This is something that I am very interested in And wondered about.

Thanks to you both  Pattye

I read the thread authur.  OH MY GOD!!!  I will join.  You won.  However, I have one little problem with you people.  "Don't get out too far in front of the parade or you will not hear the music.  Being patient with those who have not found their voice is part of Turquoise. and yet we need both kinds.  On the Myers/Briggs, I am a

INFP   That P is a person who always needs a little more information. So along with being the other three, I can just bet what most of you guys are.  I know I am pretty wonderful until I get around people like you and then I have to fight to not feel like a fraud and lose my voice and start stuttering a bit. I hang in there and eventually make a connection so I figure you are my best teachers.  I not sure if I am readly to say this to a whole group cause there you all are.   Great Thread.  Super Thread.  I will go back.  Time and Courage.  We need both kinds.    Hope you come back here and keep checking.  You do have all the info.  Brainiac.  Love Pattye

tamgoddess relayed ken's response to adastra's question:

The shadow of Turquoise is an inability to see one's own greatness.

For those of you who have not read of Nomali's position at I-I, you might want to read what happened to her at I-I. It's in I-I blogs. This is what so-called 2nd tier thinking can wallow in, especially in an organizational structure. I-I faces some serious 2nd tier color questions. Maybe someone can answer from I-I to explain to its members what is going on? This is her second letter. You might want to read the first one.

perera said:

I certainly can’t answer for II, and I doubt you will get any kind of answer on such internal affairs; this is not really a public matter. I can say that I personally don’t understand why this has happened, though I don’t think it was done out of ill will or a place of shadow. None of us really have enough information to decide if such a decision was second tier or not.  Everyone at II is saddened by this, and I must say I was a bit angry and heartbroken with the news. There are times when people don’t fit in a position anymore or their position dissolves over time, I don’t know if that is the case here, but I am just amazed by Nomali’s ability to accept this news with as much grace and integrity as she did. Maybe when people are as sweet and humble as Rollie and Nomali, you get stepped on sometimes.  This is why a part of me feels like she was too good for II, she out grew it in some profound way, now with the strength, integrity, and ability to create so much beauty in the world. Whether or not it was a mistake or just executed with traditional II awkwardness, it is done and it will be unclear for a long time whether it was for the better or worse… My prediction is worse for II, but better for Nomali, and that makes me happy for Nomz!

It is time that we all became more accountable. It is simply not enough, if anyone claims to exist within the 7th Level system or even so-called "Second Tier," to live off of the hard work and fruits of others without paying back in financial terms or in participating in the further  development of the way of thinking.

You must pardon my personal reference, but if I had not at a difficult time in my life been the only person to help Clare W. Graves financially, or to support him emotionally and, most certainly, to create opportunities for him to extend his own life and influence, I dare say his name would only be an obscure footnote in an academic study now. And, the entire I-I movement would have seriously lacked what gave it cohesion, a language the people continue to use, and practical experiences and case-studies that are beginning to resonate. You recall it was Ken Wilber, in his  book A Theory of Everything, that called it "the theory that explains everything," as the entire book is based on what he called "The Amazing Spiral."

In all cases the intellectual integrity of this point of view, the original Graves perspectives, and the modification and extensions into Spiral Dynamics Integral will hence-forth need to be respected and not distorted for self-gain. I do not accept that one can attempt to escape accountability by exploiting the fruits of thirty years of work by way of bypassing the SD and SDi depictions while claiming one is "going
back to Graves" instead. (Amazing how folks who do so continue to use SD/SDi language and concepts that Graves never used.)

Finally, I do not accept the claim that the material is in the public domain. Those who advance this justification are only showing how Orange sleaze operates, by ignoring their responsibility to contribute to the long and difficult development of the source code along with a myriad of applications in difficult places around the world.

If we are not willing to walk the ethical talk, then we are simply not in a position to teach these concepts to other people.

I know everybody has limits, time conflicts, and other responsibilities, but be advised that 2025 is going to be the year of accountability.

The seriousness of the challenges and threats that face ALL of us require that we elevate ourselves from political games, economic opportunism, and careless hijacking of what are authentic parts of a seamless and truly integral package.  If we ourselves cannot do this we have nothing to offer anybody else.

B.,

In keeping with Don's call for accountability and adequate attention to source code, I for one would expect, that when a letter/exerpt is posted that context be noted, as in, to whom it was addressed, when, in response to...

Otherwise, we are left with a case of the media demonstrating the message via negativa.

Let it begin here.

kcd

From the Clash to the Confluence of Civilizations:

Cartography for the 21st Century

Colleagues and Friends,

Plans for the annual Washington (DC) Macro*Memetics Summit next week are taking final shape. The theme will deal with how clashes in civilizations, as defined by Samuel Huntington, can be transformed into the confluence of civilizations. How, in short, the competitive and conflict-driven nature of memetic codes can, instead, become connecting bands.

We are dealing here with deep conflict at the core, in the tectonic, fractal-like 'value system' plates, rather than attempts that focus only on surface level manifestations of these vast differences.

One of the sub-themes that we will develop is to track how civilization ‘heaps' form in the first place; what the Life Conditions are that spark them; what the human dynamics, both individual and group, are that create and sustain them; and what is it that makes the boundaries rigid where ‘us vs. them’ polarization dominate the scene. Then, of course, stigmas, stereotypes, and the tendency to see in the other the face of the enemy – demonizing – prevails in group relationships.

And then we will use state-of-the-art theoretical formulations buffeted by real world experiences in some of the most difficult places on the planewhere clashes are historic and violent – such as South Africa, the Middle East, in Southeast Asia and even in this country. This rich experience is not for the faint-hearted or those who are already locked in to any Flatlander ideology.

The experience will be enriched by a series of world class presenters who are known for their insights and especially their backgrounds in confronting these issues in harm’s way. This list includes George Anne Geyer, award-winning foreign correspondent; John Petersen, President of The Arlington Institute, who is one of our best known futurists and designer of a measuring technology that generates a global vital signs monitor and early surprise indicator; Dr. Tom Barnett, author and formerly of the US Naval War College who, in his book The Pentagon's New Map, has been crafting a balanced approach for dealing with the developmental gaps to reduce levels of violence; and Dr. Akbar Ahmed, a leading global authority on Islamic religious and ethical systems and expert on how more moderate positions can be facilitated.

The teaching/learning  sequences will move from some simulation, to a Margaret Mead-inspired sapient circle, to the design of a full-court press strategy that will align the memetic codes up and down the spiral with a series of imaginative tools and initiatives. Many of these were used successfully in the South Africa and are now being up-dated for an application in the troubled Middle East.

In fact, the Center for Human Emergence-Middle East team will attend our Summit, as we are preparing to return to Israel-Palestine on January 16. You will witness, on a first-hand basis, the planning that the team is doing and what we hope to accomplish. As you well know, this initiative is being funded by John Smith, owner of Hearthstone Homes in Omaha.

The entire Washington Summit is funded in part by John Mackey, chairman of the board of Whole Foods Market.

We will present our traditional SDi Level One certification program on January 8, 9, and 10. I will be working once again with Cherie Beck in this program. Mike Jay, well known globally as a business coach and change agent, will work with me in the SDi Level Two Macro*Memetics Washington Summit January 11, 12, and 13.

As many of you know, one of our earlier Macro*Memetics summits dealt with a scenario regarding the future of Cuba that is becoming more and more relevant now given the illness of Castro. I don't know of any other event that provides you the opportunity to use the insights and tools from the Graves conceptual system, the Spiral Dynamics Integral extension, and anything within the Integral Institute world.  Those who keep asking for practical applications should leave no stone unturned in learning how to apply such a powerful model in areas that are impacting our own survival as a country and planet.

________________________________
 
From the Clash to the Confluence of Civilizations:
Cartography for the 21st Century
Washington, DC   January 8-13, 2025

For more information and to register now, click here.
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Finally, and I truly believe what I'm about to suggest:

It is time that we all became more accountable. It is simply not enough, if anyone claims to exist within the 7th Level system or even so-called "Second Tier," to live off of the hard work and fruits of others without paying back in financial terms or in participating in the further  development of the way of thinking.

You must pardon my personal reference, but if I had not at a difficult time in my life been the only person to help Clare W. Graves financially, or to support him emotionally and, most certainly, to create opportunities for him to extend his own life and influence, I dare say his name would only be an obscure footnote in an academic study now. And, the entire I-I movement would have seriously lacked what gave it cohesion, a language the people continue to use, and practical experiences and case-studies that are beginning to resonate. You recall it was Ken Wilber, in his  book A Theory of Everything, that called it "the theory that explains everything," as the entire book is based on what he called "The Amazing Spiral."

In all cases the intellectual integrity of this point of view, the original Graves perspectives, and the modification and extensions into Spiral Dynamics Integral will hence-forth need to be respected and not distorted for self-gain. I do not accept that one can attempt to escape accountability by exploiting the fruits of thirty years of work by way of bypassing the SD and SDi depictions while claiming one is "going
back to Graves" instead. (Amazing how folks who do so continue to use SD/SDi language and concepts that Graves never used.)

Finally, I do not accept the claim that the material is in the public domain. Those who advance this justification are only showing how Orange sleaze operates, by ignoring their responsibility to contribute to the long and difficult development of the source code along with a myriad of applications in difficult places around the world.

If we are not willing to walk the ethical talk, then we are simply not in a position to teach these concepts to other people.

I know everybody has limits, time conflicts, and other responsibilities, but be advised that 2025 is going to be the year of accountability.

The seriousness of the challenges and threats that face ALL of us require that we elevate ourselves from political games, economic opportunism, and careless hijacking of what are authentic parts of a seamless and truly integral package.  If we ourselves cannot do this we have nothing to offer anybody else.

Don

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    It probably has something to do with the footnotes beginning in Chapter 4 of Integral Spirituality, and other discussions they had prior.  Personally I feel Ken and Don should have kept this amongst themselves and found a way to reconcile their differences. Integral heads are a rarity, but I guess this shows how the Ego lurks at every level.

    Anyway, I am sure nobody 2nd tier is interested in Integral Drama.

Namaste, B.